Almost time for Salute

...which means that I'm off-line for the next week or so.

Jon and everyone else who'll be at the show - see you on Saturday :-)

Later,

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:49:34 +0200 Oerjan Ohlson
> <oerjan.ohlson@telia.com> wrote:

> Jon and everyone else who'll be at the show - see you on Saturday :-)

So how do we recognise you?

Phil (and sons)
----
Gravity is a Downer... So let's go flying!

Just look for the hair... Oerjan has a quiff like I've never seen before (he
says jealously, combing over his own thinning locks...).

> -----Original Message-----

> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:13:04AM +0100, Phillip Atcliffe wrote:

I'll be there, and I tend to be visible in a crowd (even a crowd of
wargamers); I'll mostly be hanging around the GZG stand, I suspect. I look
roughly like

I'll be there too (5' 8" balding), possibly along with Bill Hughes (6'
2"
bearded, heavy build) and Simon Chick (6' Fair).

With 6000+ 'gamers to choose from, identification won't be easy ...

Time for a GZG-L rogue's gallery of photos, maybe ?

Tony

ps - I'll be there behind the Brigade stand (for the first time at
Salute). Go down to the new lower level and look for the huge crowd. That'll
be Wargames Foundry. We'll be somewhere behind that, looking harassed. Come
and say hello if you can get past the milling throng.

> -----Original Message-----

> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 09:54:30AM +0100, Tony Francis wrote:

I'll be happy to host it. I'll also have a digital camera with me on Saturday.
This will of course be too late for finding people at the show... anyone who
wants to email me a photo, do so, and I'll put them up in a gallery.

(Reminds me of finding people at SF conventions: "He's tall, wears glasses,
has a beard, is a bit overweight... this isn't helping is
it...")

> -----Original Message-----

I do have a photo but it's only available on my company intranet at the
moment, now if some kind person had some web space...

Chris

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Well volunteered that man!

> -----Original Message-----

I'll be there too, mostly on the Wargames Developments game, but also possibly
on the Colonial Wargames list game next door...

I'm the little guy with glasses.....(!)

See you there, Mike Elliott

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> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 10:04:49AM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:

http://firedrake.org/gzgpeople/

Only three pictures on it so far; I'll update it as I get more.

> Tony Francis wrote:

You can get some of that from the GZG ECC pages.  ;-)  Although
most folk there probably won't be over to Salute  :-/

Might I suggest you see if Brigade or GZG will hold a contact list where you
write your name and where you are staying?

If any of these gamers are cell-phone people there is that
avenue.

Otherwise if anyone knows the venue pick a terrain feature and converge there
at a specified time.

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:49:34 +0200, Oerjan Ohlson
<oerjan.ohlson@telia.com> wrote:

> Jon and everyone else who'll be at the show - see you on Saturday :-)

*shakes his head at the whole concept of a _major_ wargame convention
that lasts all of one day...*

The closest thing to a wargame convention I might attend this year is Bayou
Wars in New Orleans in early June. Mostly historicals, but it looks like it
should be fun. And... it's three days!

> -----Original Message-----

Things are different over here - the country's a lot smaller, for a
start! Most places in England are within a few hours drive of London (not
everywhere, but most of it) so it's possible to go to the show and
be back home again on the same day. We have less need for multi-day,
residential shows since not everyone is compelled to stay overnight by their
travel arrangements.

> Roger Burton West wrote:

Oh my. Laserlight almost looks respectable in that tux-thing.

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:20:56 +0100, "Tony Francis"
<tony.francis@kuju.com> wrote:

> Things are different over here

Oh, I understand the reasons for it. I just chuckle at the fact that it's only
one day. You don't get the benefit of playing a game until 1 or 2 am and then
playing another game at 8 am, assuming you didn't play through the night!

I was at Fall In! in 2000, a historical convention in Gettysburg that was
probably a bit smaller than Salute. I spent a good two or three hours (on at
least two trips) in the dealer's room alone. How do you have time to game in a
1 day convention???

> -----Original Message-----

I guess our mainstream shows are more about buying / selling than gaming
- around half of the games tend to be straight demonstration games
rather than participation ones anyway, so they are there to look at and admire
rather than join in.

My club have developed a system of making our participation games of fixed
length, so that we can get people to join in knowing how long they'll be there
and when they'll be finished. Usually we opt for an hour, and the scenarios
are along the lines of "you have a limited
amount of time to capture the enemy leader / destroy the Rebel
transports / clear the village of VC / drive a path to the other end of
the table". We find that people are happier joining in a game that they know
won't eat too much into their shopping time...

> On 24 Apr 2002 at 8:29, Allan Goodall wrote:

> I was at Fall In! in 2000, a historical convention in Gettysburg that

If you're running a game it's more often a question of how do you have time to
look around, buy stuff, eat, go to the toilet, breathe, etc.

Only two or three hours in the dealers' room? That's not even long enough to
get to the front of the scrum at the GZG stand at Salute.
;-)

If you're just visiting then it's quite easy to fit in two or three games and
some decent shopping. Most of the participation games are designed to be over
in two or hours or so.

Another difference between the US and the UK is that over here distances are
such that most people are within range of a local club
and so can game every week/fortnight/month if they want to. So the
shows are more orientated around seeing what everyone else is doing and
shopping. I've gone to a show and done nothing but shop and gawp.

OTOH, most of the games at Salute are "party" games rather than "demos".
> From that point of view its the best UK show by miles. Then again, Jon

Last year there were about 6000 people at Salute.

Cheers, Mike

> -----Original Message-----

I guess our mainstream shows are more about buying / selling than gaming
-
around half of the games tend to be straight demonstration games rather than
participation ones anyway, so they are there to look at and admire rather than
join in.

My club have developed a system of making our participation games of fixed
length, so that we can get people to join in knowing how long they'll be there
and when they'll be finished. Usually we opt for an hour, and the scenarios
are along the lines of "you have a limited amount of time to
capture the enemy leader / destroy the Rebel transports / clear the
village
of VC / drive a path to the other end of the table". We find that people
are happier joining in a game that they know won't eat too much into their
shopping time...

Tony

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On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:48:02 +0100, "Tony Francis"
<tony.francis@kuju.com> wrote:

> I guess our mainstream shows are more about buying / selling than

That explains a lot. There seem to be fewer wargame clubs around here. Talking
to people at conventions here, it's usually the time they get the most gaming
in. If they game at all, it's usually with friends and family. That would
explain why there's less emphasis on gaming at the British shows, if there are
more wargames clubs and a greater chance to play games in general throughout
the year.

> On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:57:29 +0100, steve@pugh.net wrote:

> Only two or three hours in the dealers' room? That's not even long

Well, things are different at GenCon! *L* I would spend 2 or 3 hours on my
first pass of the dealer's room, and that's usually just jotting down stuff to
see next time and not buying anything... *L*

> Another difference between the US and the UK is that over here

That is the big difference.

> At 08:13 24/04/02 +0100, you wrote:

He'll being wearing the pink carnation in his lapel;)

Cheers

> At 03:03 24/04/02 +0100, Mike wrote:

If this is his idea of "Hell" then I can't wait to see what his idea of
"Heaven" is;)

Cheers

> At 03:03 24/04/02 +0100, Mike wrote:

Banking the takings on Monday...... <GRIN>

Jon (GZG)
> Cheers

> >If this is his idea of "Hell" then I can't wait to see what his

Jon said:
> Banking the takings on Monday...... <GRIN>

<whew!> I was wondering if we needed to point out that there may be

In a message dated 24/04/02 10:11:21 GMT Daylight Time,
roger@firedrake.org writes:

> (Reminds me of finding people at SF conventions: "He's tall, wears

Its that good a stereotype! (6'3, goatee, glasses, bit overweight)

John

> >If this is his idea of "Hell" then I can't wait to see what his

> Well I'm planning on being there.
:)
> See you at SALUTE hopefully!

> Steve Pugh wrote:

> > I was at Fall In! in 2000, a historical convention in Gettysburg

Amen to that! I spent virtually all of Salute shopping - from about
10:15 am to about 17:00 pm, and even so I didn't manage to get to all the
dealers I wanted to buy from... which was probably fortunate, since the stuff
I did buy in England (both at Salute and at the various museums I visited
during the past week) added up to about 20 kg. Most of it books, though.

No, I don't want to think about what my bank account looks like right
now -
though it should still be in the black, since Salute was right after pay

day. Yes, I did have a rather extensive shopping list...

Tony Francis wrote (about recognizing me):

> Just look for the hair ... Oerjan has a quiff like I've never seen

<chuckle> And at the moment there's more of it than usual. Don't be
jealous, though - my hair has a kind of life of its own, and it is
virtually impossible for it to look proper for more than about five
minutes... which is not always a good thing at work :-/ (And for
domestic
reasons, cutting my hair is not a particularly viable option either :-/
)

Later,