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From: Roger Burton West <roger@firedrake.org>
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Subject: Re: [OT] An Idea
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> On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 05:13:01PM -0400, Z. Lakel wrote:
(message board proposal)
Here's why I don't use message boards:
* The interface is lousy. There are lots of different email clients, but only
one web interface per board. Text editing in particular is very poorly
handled, which may explain why almost all boards I've seen tend
to have very short messages. I can fine-tune my email client for the way
_I_ like to work, and I don't thereby force everyone else to use
substantially the same interface.
* It's rarely possible (I've never seen it, but I'm sure someone has a
counterexample) to catch up on a busy board if you don't read it for a few
days. There's no way to know what's been posted since you last read
it - at best, you'll get a list of new _topics_.
* They're only usable while you're on-line. Many people still pay
connect charges based on time. Being able to read mail at one's leisure is
much more useful...
* They're notoriously hard to archive or make searchable.
I recommend instead that people apply filtering to their mail clients, if they
find that particular posters or topics are not of interest.
Roger
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From: "Brian Bilderback" <bbilderback@hotmail.com>
To: gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
Subject: [general] Silk Purse from a Sow's ear, was assorted
Francophobic flame war stuff
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Ok, all this talk about the French, just HOW French the FSE is, and the plea
to get it back on topic has prompted me to do some thinking. For a while I've
been toying with different ideas for my own Tuffleyverse addition. I was
quickly dissuaded from doiing any sort of NAC offshoot as being overdone. I'm
still toying with the AstroTurks idea, but now I had another one:
Given the fact that the FSE IS fairly French, and that it's also fairly
Spanish, has anyone done an anti-FSE breakaway BASQUE colony somewhere?
supporting them might be a way for other powers to tweak the FSe's tail, and
it would make for interesting flavor.
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Subject: OT: UN civpol was Re: THE EYES OF A SOLDIER
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> At 12:33 29/05/02 -0400, Ryan wrote:
> one think its bloody stupid to send military forces into an area to
The "civpol" are not military personal, but are drawn from police
forces/services of UN member states. In this case mostly from the
Federal and State police services in Australia. This was way before the
international community finally decided to send in armed troops to stabilize
the situation.
Cheers
Derek
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And now for something completely different.
No, not a man with three buttocks...not this time, at least.
I'm looking for miniatures of Gamers. Stereotypical gamers, like the ones that
Thunderbolt Mountain put out a few years ago.
(these guys: http://www.geocities.com/johnxcrim/Graphics/Gamers.jpg )
Other than the TBM versions, does anyone make figures like this? See, I need
some Satanists for my modern conspiracy skirmish game, and it occurred to me
that making them gamers would fit perfectly into the tabloid mindset....
Thanks, all!
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> From: Derek Fulton <derekfulton@bigpond.com>
> Sadly it really does depend on situation and rules of engagement. I
Still, this reinforces the point that the choices made by Higher Powers
regarding the type of force sent, ROE's established, etc. can put good men
(and women) in situations they don't deserve.
To come to Dawgy's defense, and *I COULD BE WRONG*, I think his comments
about peacekeeping forces, police forces, etc., being a joke, are appropriate
and somewhat accurate if taken in the context of being a
reflection of how/why those forces are deployed, and as a reflection on
upper echelon decision making screwups, NOT as a reflection on the quality of
the units sent themselves. I have nothing but respect and admiration for the
military or police forces of ANY nation who have donned the blue armbands and
gone into places where they had no vested interest other than a commitment to
the UN and a sense of duty, among people who revile and resent them, and do
their damnedest to keep the peace. Well, ok, I have one other emotion for
them: Pity. Because often these troops, most of whom are very
good troops, are placed in a situation where the UN and/or governments
involved have placed limits on what they can/cannot/must/must not do
that conflict with the basic necessities of what must be done to fulfill their
mission -- effectively ordering them to do a job and then ordering them
not to do what the job requires. It's a bloody shame, it's a catastrophic
catch-22, and it IS a JOKE, but one of which these men are not the punch
line - merely the punched.
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> John Crimmins wrote:
> And now for something completely different.
There's the Knights of the Dinner Table figs:
http://www.kodt.com/miniatures.htm
--
Ray Forsythe - erf2@gte.net - www.wombatzone.com
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> --- Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@hotmail.com> wrote:
> To come to Dawgy's defense, and *I COULD BE WRONG*,
This also varies from mission to mission and from nation to nation.
KFOR is a whole 'nother world from, say, UNPROFOR.
KFOR also no longer gets any media play because we more or less bloody well
pacified that crappy little province by the time my unit rotated out.
John
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> --- Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Given the fact that the FSE IS fairly French, and
I don't think it's been done yet.
Basques with 75% German equipment and a handful of German advisors...
I can think of people I'd rather annoy.
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> At 02:53 29/05/02 -0500, you wrote:
> DEREK,
You should be more careful what you say then, the world is a bit bigger than
that
> you know as well as i do that the Australlian government and people
Are you so sure? The police officer who faced down the militia was armed
only with the force of his personality, do you really think that the militia
running around on a killing spree cared what Australia might do?
And what of the Indonesian Military who set up, supplied and directed the
militias, their "burn East Timor to the ground" policy speak whole volumes
about how they cared.
> do not confuse apples with oranges.
I'm not confusing anything, This whole ridiculous thread came about when
Beth responded to John A's question about a example of a poorly organized
military turning into a decent military in a short space of time - The
French in the space of lass then a decade they had transformed from a
disorganized mob to a military that the rest of Europe (including the British,
but their government afraid that this would somehow transport the "revolution"
to England so wouldn't allow it) tried to emulate (even down to the uniforms).
Instead of saying well gee, there's a good example (as Glen did) we find
John debasing the example because since then the French have been unable to
match their Napoleonic Glory.
No more discussion about how the IF (or the PAU) might be in 150 years time,
just a bunch of blokes, whipping it out and banging it on the table to justify
their views on whether the French suck or not.
Can anyone see what's wrong here?:(
Cheers
Derek
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> At 10:37 29/05/02 +0100, you wrote:
I don't enjoy them either.
Cheers
Derek
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> --- Bob DeAngelis <bobdea@terra.es> wrote:
Actually, just restarted the other day.
> I really must congratulate John on his consistency.
Actually, their major malfunction lately was having a Nazi place second in
their presidential elections. But I can overlook that as it is only second
place.
BTW
> John .they may have
Actually, I've restricted my contempt for their
military prowess to post-Napoleon.
ask yourself just how free you would be
> right now if the US
Considering that unlike the sides in most civil wars, we could actually tell
the difference between uniformed combatants and unarmed women and children
(See: Spanish Civil War, English Civil War, Assorted Irish Uprisings, Any
Conflict involving 2 factions of Russians, etc.), that the Continental
Congress openly declared their revolt, raised a field army, and kicked
the ever-loving shit out of their enemies in open
field battle, to include the first time a British General Officer had to
surrender his entire command, the correct term would be "insurrecionists."
> ?) had not been ably
I'm at least as well aware of the intervention of a significant force of
French marine infantry, deGrasse's humiliation of the Brit fleet at the Battle
of the Chesapeake, and the personal contributions of a large number of private
French citizens as you are. You see, I've been to Yorktown a couple or three
times and lived about half my life within a reasonable distance thereof.
HOWEVER, their singular contribution in the _18th_
century has no bearing whatsoever on the dismal performance of their army in
the 19th and 20th centuries, the stupidity of the French Government and
People during the period 1870-1940, or the bombastic
egotism of the French during any time period.
John
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> --- Roger Burton West <roger@firedrake.org> wrote:
> the Greeks...
???
They kicked the Turks out with minor Brit assistance. This counts for much.
Hell, just keeping their culture alive under the Turks is a major achievement.
That counts for something. They also fought pretty damn well in WWI and WWII,
what do you expect out of a small nation dragged into a Great Power Slugfest.
They were also one of the most respected NATO
contingents in Korea--not always the best equipped,
but damn tough fighters.
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> --- Richard Kirke <richardkirke@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I really wouldn't worry about that, we are on the
Wow.
You should work for the State Department.
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--- Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@webone.com.au>
wrote:
> > The rest of us feel superior to the French because
They managed to get partially partitioned 3 times, and overrun once. This was
more due to subversion and the collaboration of the Russians, Austrians, and
Prussians.
> when the US starts subsidising outrageously rich
Some of us, believe me, have NO love for US
agricultural policies. I'm a hardcore Free-Trade
nutcase.
> > Fortunately, there were no Iraqis out there,
Or BMP-1s driven by Iraqis and Bradleys driven by
Americans.
> Or Canadians and Afghans.
Canadians should coordinate with the USAF when they decide to run into what
was technically Indian Country
and start firing off small-arms and giving a pilot a
near heart attack.
American doctrine calls for holding training maneuvers BEFORE deploying to a
warzone so as to avoid such problems.
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> --- Derek Fulton <derekfulton@bigpond.com> wrote:
Definitionally.
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> --- Derk Groeneveld <derk@cistron.nl> wrote:
> > The rest of us feel superior to the French because
Yeah.
It makes it much harder for us to go throw the Germans out of France.
Twice.
And keep the Russians out by sheer indimidation value.
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G'day guys,
I was thinking about this some more last night and guessed that it may only be
insignia that distinguished units in integrated powers like the FSE, though in
some cases skin colour etc could too. Across my nuns I cover 6 different skin
shades, and though it looks good (in my opinion at least) I wouldn't mind
having some figs with different facial features rather than just painting
Caucasians different skin colours <I'm obviously not talking 6mm here!;)>. I
know there are Maori and Papuan figs for the OU, and Japanese figures for the
JCM, but I was wondering what the PAU figs look like. I was also wondering how
well the NAC figs (the bareheaded ones) would paint up if painted as south or
central American in origin or if there were Chinese figs for the ESU.
By the way while on the topic of painting... has anyone a) tried putting camo
net on 25mm helmets (think WWII) b) how do you pain spectacles?
Thanks
Beth
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> --- Tony Christney <tchristney@telus.net> wrote:
> It has been said that the French don't really have
Yup.
We "bombed the crap out of" second rate armies like the Brits (twice), the
Spanish, the Germans
(twice--the second time around being the first time we
had enough of an air force to drop an appreciable number of bombs), the
Japanese, and the Chinese.
Oh, and stared down the Russians until they blinked.
Plus all the _really_ bad armies we kicked the crap
out of.
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> --- Beth.Fulton@csiro.au wrote:
> The Sulmani IV incident speaks of less than pleasant
Depends on your definition of extremism.
> By the same token I think the FSE is a lot more than
Probably pretty integrated--units will likely retain
national designations (eg, 4th Italian Mechanized Brigade or something) but in
the name of operability it will probably be on the level of varient paint
schemes and perhaps vehicular grafitti in the national language.
> sub-continent. Why has it remained part of the ESU
Umm. . . latent anti-colonial sentiment?? Who knows?
John
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From: Beth.Fulton@csiro.au
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Subject: RE: [FH] IF, PAU, FSE and ESU (was RE: [OT] Frog Bashing)
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G'day,
I know I've trotted these out before, but its been a while and thought they
might be useful in the current context. Here's some backgroundy blurb I did up
on the various GZG fleets (based on the results of a poll I did on the list
re: quality etc) as apart of my doodling with Erratic Thrust.
Cheers
Beth
> [quoted text omitted]
ESU - The military doctrines as taught by the little known Zi Viskovatov
has had a lasting effect on the military doctrine of the ESU. Up until the
conclusion of the First Solar War the forces of the ESU exhibited the
centralised structure typical of past Communist regimes. However, during the
socially turbulent times within the ESU following the signing of the Freisland
Accord there was the need to find some new brilliance to fill the void left by
the purging of old commanders from the VKF. One of the new commanders to
suddenly find herself thrust into a position of influence was
Cheng Xi-Lan. She was particularly enamoured with the tactical and
strategic ideas of the obscure and elderly military philosopher Zi Viskovatov,
who had held a minor teaching position in the Beijing Academy during the early
2100s. Repackaging Viskovatov's teachings she convinced the ESU high command
to restructure the fleet around a more decentralised plan and was the driving
force behind the creation of the 'Military Districts'. Thus the ESU has its
current form of many moderately sized commands which can flexibly cover the
ESU's extensive holdings and reinforce positions where poor economics or an
aging fleet have left gaps in their defense. For these reasons they often
sport more individual commands and see more instances were reinforcements
mysteriously appear than do any of the other major nations.
FCT - Though lacking the experience, expertise and sheer volume of
resources of the much larger powers, such as the NAC or ESU, the FCT has
carved out a reputation as quite the protection force. Many of its freighters
and research vessels are actually controlled by their military and thus carry
rudimentary armament and go well escorted.
FSE - The FSE may not be the first to spring to mind when asked to name
an outstanding navy. However, their consistency across the board means that
they are one of the most dependable forces around. The fact that they are now
drilling their navigators and science officers in fast response procedures
means that they should be able to exploit their unorthodox designs and make
their extra thrust REALLY count. Just as their investment in a relatively
large supply force is intended to forestall any chance of being caught short
in their mainstay of expendable munitions.
IC - Traditionally the IC's navy does not attract its greatest men or
minds and it is considered their poorest wing with the majority of its crews
made
up of short-term conscripts. However, there is a rumour that they do
have a few elite crews which man 'ghost' ships reverse engineered from alien
technology found on some of their rim-world holdings. As yet this has
not been verified and if these ships do exist their technology has not been
more widely applied to the conventional IC fleet.
IF - The political system of Sultanate and Emirs is best described as a
barely contained berserk ants nest. The fierce rivalries and religious fervour
that the system not only engenders but outright encourages does mean that an
inspirational leader can summon unfathomable loyalty and determination from
their crews. However, this ability is quite often let down by poorly
maintained vessels and a heavy reliance on FTL tenders, which explains the
size of the IF's military maintained civilian fleet. The other notable by
product of their cultural influences on naval doctrine is that they have some
of the best, or craziest, pilots around.
JAP - The Japanese spacefleet has inherited the proud traditions of
their
wet navy fore-runners and their immense fighter wings are the match of
any nation. The intimate connections between the corporate and defense forces
have seen their fleet be the first to boast many state-of-the-art
technologies, such as superior sensors, and immensely powerful weapons, such
as the wavegun. The Japanese are said to still carry out ritual farewells
before every combat engagement, these events stem from their traditional heavy
reliance on fighters which had meant that when they took casualties they could
be on particularly devastating scales. This is no longer true as AI now run a
sizeable proportion of the Japanese fighters, however the
rituals of farewell apparently persist none-the-less.
LLAR - Another nation whose navy is thought of as the poor sibling to
their other forces. They rate slightly better than the IC, but only slightly.
They have currently concentrated their efforts in fighters and small craft,
keeping the action as far as possible from their rare and not so robust main
battle line. The LLAR's military alliance with the ESU has seen them get some
military support, but they haven't capitalised on it to the extent of the
increasingly prosperous PAU.
KNG - Surprisingly the man who holds the patent for the AI and design
specifications for the majority of the most effective of the granaatscherven
was born in Liberia. However, he did emigrate to Holland just before his
second birthday and so he doesn't really mind when people credit the
granaatscherven as a Dutch invention. Admittedly the Dutch have adopted the
idea with gusto, in fact they seem quite enamoured with the concept and rely
heavily upon on it to protect their capital heavy fleet from their
opposition's disposable ordinance.
NAC - Despite their proud history and the fact that they dwarf all other
interstellar powers in sheer size and number of ships, the NAC are not an all
dominating force. They do have reliable ships, good conditions, high morale
and strong traditions, but the fact that they have resorted to espionage
(there are rumours that they stole the plasma torpedo from the UN) to boost
their weaponry suggests that not everything smells of roses in the RSN.
NI - Persecution and religion are always explosive bed-fellows and
within the NI they have come together to forge a driven, even obsessed, force.
Phoenix-like the nation of New Israel has risen from the ashes of the
nuclear holocaust which obliterated their Terran home. Shunning the Germanic
support that underlay the effective establishment of the state of Israel in
the 20th century, New Israel has preferred to be their own source of design,
resources and manufacture. The Midbar Skunkworks has even risen to such a
level of excellence that other national military research bodies, such as that
of the Japanese, have sought it out for collaborative efforts. The most
notorious electronics produced by the NI is the stellar 'stealth' system,
which is almost insurmountably more complex than that used on ground vehicles
by other nations.
NSL - It may not be the largest power in the human sphere of influence,
but it has been recognised as the most effective. Drawing on over three
centuries of stalwart naval traditions they have forged a fleet who's level of
training, morale and supply is enviable. Chancellor Koenig's distrust of
electronic defenses and simple minded grasp of tactics may have been the
political motivation behind the move during the mid-2160s which saw the
vessels of the NSL restricted to the equivalent of ballistically equipped
tortoises. Yet the mechanical-engineering brilliance of Kurt Weyl, a
member of their design team since graduating top of his class from the
University of Gottingen in 2163, has turned what could have been a disastrous
constraint into an unmitigated advantage.
OU - The standing of Australia and New Zealand as 'Western' powers did
not immediately translate into an OUDF the equivalent of all their old
Earthbound allies. It has taken sometime to carve out their own large scale
naval yards and associated expertise and the latest generation of ships are
really the only ones which were truly developed and built within the OU. The
OUDF may be relatively lacking in military might and long-term combat
experience, having avoided involvement in any protracted warfare, but the
various traditions and idiosyncrasies of the peoples of the various islands of
the Pacific have given rise to the best navigators and the most hospitable,
enduring and colourful crews in human space.
PAU - The PAU has an undeserved reputation as a 'poor mans' navy. They
have,
until recently, depended on buying their fleets in a pre-loved condition
and have suffered accordingly. This all changed when Andre Mombeki was elected
the parliamentary head of the PAU. By 2177 he had negotiated for and
received confirmation of an agreement for a new built-to-order
battleline, including 5 of the ESU's Rostov BDNs. It had been intimated that
the political machinations behind the agreement involved Mombeki claiming to
be in the possession of compromising material involving the ESUs Secretary of
the Interior, the Commander-in-Chief of the VKF as well as their four
most senior defense advisors. Mombeki's memoirs, which were finally released
by
the censors in mid-2187 eighteen months after he was assassinated by IF
operatives, explain away these accusations in his usual quick witted and
whimsical fashion: "With regard to my part in the Naval modernisation scheme,
I can only say that I do not and never have had any incriminating evidence
regarding any ESU officials and if anyone has mistakenly got the impression
that I did then I am deeply sorry for any embarrassment or inconvenience." It
is probably worthy of note that the ESU administration has made no formal
statement about Mombeki's memoirs and that the only comment made on the
matter was by ex-Secretary of the Interior Pavel Talenikov from his home
in
the Procyon system, where he has lived in self-imposed exile since he
resigned 'to spend more time with his family' in 2178. When asked about the
matter by a report from ISN, simply said "Cunning bastard". It is predicted
that the next decade will see a revolution in the way in which the PAU is
viewed. The expansion, capitalisation and restructuring that Mombeki began has
not been derailed by the IFs attempts at destabilisation through terrorism and
the PAU are well on the way to revitalising their position in the grand scheme
of things.
RH - The RH are haunted by the spectre of their terrestrial neighbours
and cousins. Having been brutally deposed by communists once the Tsars have no
desire to go through that again. Reliable sources suggest that the Romanov
crews are ceaselessly bombarded with effusive, but effective, propaganda
remonstrating about how poorly off they'd be under the ESU or their allies. As
a consequence ships from the RH forces are all rated one morale grade higher
when facing the ESU in combat and will not strike their colours under ANY
circumstances.
SK - The SK is another nation more renowned for its soldiers than its
sailors, but never-the-less their dogged determination and never-say-die
prevails despite their often inadequate equipment. The association of the SK
fleet with lethal raids on isolated colonies and ship plundering may have
become a part of popular culture, but as yet it is an unsubstantiated claim
- this may simply be because they leave no witnesses. Whether due to
their crews' immersion in fanaticism or as a consequence of compensating for a
lack of free resources they are creative, capable and quite aggressive once in
combat. On a human level, down and dirty knife fights seem to be most to their
liking.
SWISS - Still renowned for making some of the finest machinery and
fighting men, SWISS made vessels have incredible levels of reliability. The
SWISS still maintain their neutral stance, adopted centuries ago, but this is
more a mechanism for staying out of the draining Solar Wars. Like the FCT they
make sure that anyone who attempts to take advantage of their civilian
transport convoys will regret their actions.
UN - All member nations are required to make some material or economic
contribution to the infrastructure of the UN. However, having learnt from the
crippling dependency of predecessor agencies the current incarnation of the UN
also has economic and territorial holdings of its own. This above anything
else makes the major, if not all, powers suspicious of the UN's true
motivations. As yet this has not effected the member nation's
compliance with UN decrees, but then it hasn't tried to step-out of the
core...yet. The alien incursions may well make or break the UN, will humanity
unit under a blue flag or shatter as each looks after their own interests?
Either way UN clashes against any alien attempt on
core-worlds
should be illuminating, after-all it is rumoured that the plasma-torpedo
was
just one of the UN's top-secret weapons programs and that was 2 decades
ago...
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Subject: RE: [FH] IF, PAU, FSE and ESU (was RE: [OT] Frog Bashing)
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G'day,
> Umm. . . latent anti-colonial sentiment?? Who knows?
I reckon at least some part of it might try and "throw off their ESU
overlords" and that it would be an interesting theatre to consider for on
Earth SG stuff. They'd certainly have the manpower available.
Cheers
Beth
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