[ADMIN] Need List Admin Information and feedback

10 posts ยท Jan 12 2002 to Jan 14 2002

From: Thomas Barclay <Thomas.Barclay@s...>

Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:22:28 -0500

Subject: [ADMIN] Need List Admin Information and feedback

There are or were the following email lists
gzg-l
gzg-aliens
gzg-pedia
gzg-computer

Am I missing any publicly available gzg lists?

Which are still 'live' and functioning lists?

Who is the list admin for each of these lists?

Do each of these lists operate on the same list-
serv and hence are list serv commands which
operate on gzg-l also executable on the other
three? If not, how do I find out which commands are supported?

Also, can someone remind me of where to find
the gzg-l archives? And are there archives for
the other three lists?

Digests are available for gzg-l. Are digests
available for the other three lists?

Lastly, someone proposed tags [SG] [DS] etc for the lists to enable effective
sorting. Does anyone have a record or an URL which lists the proposed tags?

My thanks for the information, I am attempting to compile all of this
information for a page on www.stargrunt.ca of use to new and old list members
alike and those interested in joining.

Also, just a general question: If I include a politely worded list of
recommendations as to
gzg-l ettiquette, would that be out of place?
Things I would plan to mention:
- plaintext only (no RTF/HTML/etc)
- no attachments
- re-read posts before sending (for meaning)
- avoid me-tooism and posting when you don't
have something interesting to add
- use the archives, especially before reposting
something that might have been dissected 13 times before
- be aware of the breadth and depth of
experience and knowledge the list members possess, hence be careful when
asserting opinions as fact or substituting supposition for knowledge because
somebody out there
probably _really_ does know
- post links, not images
- try to stay topical on postings
- try to maintain an appropriate subject line
- be aware of the contextless nature of e-mail
and realize most people don't mean to offend, hence recommend the use of
frequent emoticons (smileys and the like) and similar constructs to replace
missing body language clues (an example would be <*grin*>)
- flame wars are undesireable, and polite
conduct is desireable. Truly controversial issues should be approached and
discussed circumspectly and personal attacks are to be
avoided. Off-topic issues or emotionally loaded
issues are best discussed off list.
- a mention of the diversity of the lists
subscriber base as including people from many parts of the world, many
nationalities, and many ethnicities (and undoubtedly religions, world views,
etc).

Would this be something useful to new
subscribers perhaps (if done in a non-preachy
way)? I'd rather not have anyone feel that they were being lectured to, but
I'm sure there are new people who are just arrived or will arrive for whom
some of this falls under the category of "I didn't know" and if there was a
resource that provided some guidance, perhaps they could avoid some of the
typical cycle where people end up pointing out things like "you know, you said
you think X is wrong, but X is actually a tank designer" or "your HTML is
showing" or "aargh! you sent attachments!" or "please don't be offended John's
tone" or "archives? what are those" or "digest? what's a
digest?"... etc.

Feedback is appreciated and gratefully received.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:32:33 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Need List Admin Information and feedback

> --- Thomas Barclay <kaladorn@fox.nstn.ca> wrote:

> - try to stay topical on postings

At least for newbies. You might also point out that discussions among the
regulars have a disturbing tendency to veer off into medieval history, WWII
tank design, obscure biological discussions, inside jokes involving things
that happened several years ago at conventions, Swedish light armored vehicle
ground pressure or other wierdness. Topicality is a loosing argument.

> - flame wars are undesireable, and polite

I'm not even going to touch this.

> "please don't be offended John's tone" or

Uhhh. . . that would be the _second_ FAQ I'm in. . .
That's a disturbing thought.

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:04:37 -0500

Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Need List Admin Information and feedback

> Also, can someone remind me of where to find

www.warpfish.com/jhan/ or thereabouts

> Lastly, someone proposed tags [SG] [DS] etc

let's see, SG, DS, FT, FMAS, FH for Future History, OT, eventually BDS,
anything else?

> Also, just a general question: If I include a

How about a brutally blunt list of recommendations? :-)

> - flame wars are undesireable, and polite

Might include a few specifically verboten items: a. gun control b. the
likelihood of X nation becoming a part of Y bloc (insert "US" and "NAC" for
the most common offenders) c. creation vs evolution

> "please don't be offended by John's tone"

This would be a good idea <vbg>

In addition to the above, you may wish to include: a. If you want to have a
Second American Revolution (or other NAC breakaways by die hard Welsh, Scots,
Confederates, etc) in your universe, go ahead, however... We have heard this
theme many times before, so we're going to find it less fascinating than if
you detailed the valiant struggle of, oh, say, the valiant struggles of the
Rajputana Sikhs and their Dogra allies to throw of the repressive rule of the
ESU. Just a suggestion. b. While no one "owns" a canon power, there are people
who have done
extensive work on some of them--you may save some time by telling
people what you want and asking if anyone has done it yet. (I'm thinking of
Indy's fleet list in particular) c. define Kochte'd dice, the Teske Field, the
pronunciation of Oerjan, the Narn Bat Squad...

From: Andrew Martin <Al.Bri@x...>

Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:30:32 +1300

Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Need List Admin Information and feedback

> Tomb Raider wrote:

http://valley.150m.com/Dirtside/FAQ/Etiquette.html

A plain text version is at:
http://valley.150m.com/Dirtside/FAQ/Etiquette.txt

If you want, just copy the plain text, edit in a text, add your changes in

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:40:31 EST

Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Need List Admin Information and feedback

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:32:33 -0800 (PST) John Atkinson <snip>
> "please don't be offended John's tone" or

You're Famous!

Gracias,

From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@j...>

Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:40:31 EST

Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Need List Admin Information and feedback

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:32:33 -0800 (PST) John Atkinson
> <johnmatkinson@yahoo.com> writes:

But a nice ideal. <grin>

> - flame wars are undesireable, and polite

[Innocent face] Why?  <grin>

> "please don't be offended John's tone" or

Consider it a step towards immortality.

Gracias,

From: Jerry Han <jhan@w...>

Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:32:30 -0500

Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Need List Admin Information and feedback

gzg-peida is still alive, though traffic has dropped to basically
nothing.

> Thomas Barclay wrote:

> Who is the list admin for each of these lists?

I thought Matt Seidl ran all of them. At least, he's list admin
for gzg-pedia.

> Also, can someone remind me of where to find

Majordomo has its own archives, available by email, but, for space reasons,
Matt only keeps about a month available.

I have everything available, in one form or another at:

http://www.warpfish.com/jhan/ft/Archive

> Digests are available for gzg-l. Are digests

Yes for gzg-pedia.

For my cut on list policy, see:

From: Andrew Martin <Al.Bri@x...>

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:09:08 +1300

Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Need List Admin Information and feedback

I've made the modifications to the List FAQ at:
        http://valley.150m.com/Dirtside/FAQ/Etiquette.html
that Tom suggested. If there's any mistakes, please let me know.

From: Matthew Seidl <seidl@v...>

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:51:57 -0700

Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Need List Admin Information and feedback

> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:32:30 -0500, Jerry Han writes:

Yep, I'm still alive. Well mostly. The new job and another project have been
consuming most of my time, so I reall only skim the lists these days. But its
on my list of things to work back to actually read the lists full time. (on my
growing list of things...)

> Also, can someone remind me of where to find

I think we've got more than that, but some of the old ones are not really
readable at the moment. I need to look over the disk space on the current list
machine and see how bad it is.

From: Iain Davidson <iain@a...>

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:40:30 -0000

Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Need List Admin Information and feedback

<<c. define Kochte'd dice, the Teske Field, the pronunciation of Oerjan, the
Narn Bat Squad...>>

Definately include these!

I've been reading the list for a while, and still have no clue what they
relate to, and I'm too proud to ask ;-)

Cheers,