ADAF's

Hi,

If Ship A has performed it's action for the turn and a fighter group attacks
Ship B, can Ship A use it's ADAF's to engage that fighter group?

In a message dated 96-11-27 07:02:14 EST, you write:

<< Hi,

If Ship A has performed it's action for the turn and a fighter group attacks
Ship B, can Ship A use it's ADAF's to engage that fighter group?

Date sent:  27-NOV-1996 13:09:20

> Hi,

That's a good question. It raises another question, when do you declare which
ship a fighter group is attacking? Reading between the lines, it would appear
that you are supposed to declare which fighter groups are attacking which
ships after ship movement, but before ship firing. In practice this is
impractical. ADAFs like PDAFs, are supposed to fire at the same time as the
firing ships other weapons.

Quick fix. Allow ADAF units to attack any fighters within 6" or any fighters
within 6" of a ship that is also within 6", effectively increasing ADAF to
about 12" range (in fleet actions). That way only PDAF are affected by wether
or not the carrying ship is being fired upon.

Message text written by Darryl Hills
> If Ship A has performed it's action for the turn and a fighter group

We always have fighters fire first, then ships, then missiles. This resolves
the aforementioned problem

> Darryl Hills wrote:

The ADAF can be used as long as it has not been fired earlier during the same
turn (i.e. fired against another fighter group or missile). We resolve
all anti-fighter fire(including ADAF from other ships) immediately
following the attacked ship's fire phase and before the fighter group's
attack.

> Adam Delafield wrote:

Good point, but this creates a change in play. If ship A fires the ADAF during
its fire phase, it is always assured a chance to attack the fighter group.
Using existing rules, if ship A loses its ADAF or is destroyed, it will not be
able to fire at the same fighter group when ship B completes its fire phase.
It becomes a question of when the targeting data for the ADAF is made
available from ship B: 1) when ship B engages targets and fires during its
fire phase or 2) throughout the entire combat phase for that turn.

In a message dated 96-11-27 08:19:10 EST, you write:

> >If Ship A has performed it's action for the turn and a fighter group

I was under the opinion that fighter groups attacking a ship declare so as
whenever a ship is chosen to fire. The ship fires its weapons, including any
PDAF or ADAF attacking the offending fighter groups, then the surviving
fighters may attack the ship.

Which brings to mind a new fighter class!

Stealth Fighters: Stealth fighters use advanced emmisions control and ECM
suites to reduce their electronic signature. This makes the already difficult
task of aquiring and producing a firing solution for
anti-fighter
weapons even more formidable. Stealth fighters are allowed to conduct fire
attacks before the defending ship fires its anti-fighter systems.
Reduction in signature comes at the expense of some performance, and therefore
stealth
fighters are -1 in all dogfights.  Stealth fighters cost + 12 points per
fighter.

What do you think of this?

Later

Brian

> Brian wrote:
Reduction
> in signature comes at the expense of some performance, and therefore

Ouch! Neat idea, but it would sure make fighters more deadly against ships.
How about reducing attack rolls against all targets or reducing the amount
of damage inflicted(less space for weapons with masking material/design
etc.)?

> BJCantwell@aol.com wrote:
Reduction
> in signature comes at the expense of some performance, and therefore
I like the idea of sneaky ship killers, but wouldn't the enemy fighters
have the same targeting problems as the PDAF/ADAFs ?

> At 06:19 PM 11/27/96 +0000, you wrote:
Reduction
> in signature comes at the expense of some performance, and therefore

        A nifty idea--that scares the hell out of me!! Can we say
STEALTH
TORPEDO PLANES!? Mini-pulse torpedoes screaming in from ghost blips that
barely appear on your viewscreen before every instrument and panel goes to
static and then black...

Really, though. Combine stealth with torpedo planes and other than
wave guns or spinal mount nova guns (which we don't use--too powerful,
too
cheesy too) and there is no defense--other than fighters and what
happens
when stealth planes fight other stealth planes--my God, stealth
interceptors...

        James

> Adam Delafield writes:

@:) >If Ship A has performed it's action for the turn and a fighter @:) >group
attacks Ship B, can Ship A use it's ADAF's to engage that @:) >fighter group?
@:)
@:) That's a good question. It raises another question, when do you @:)
declare which ship a fighter group is attacking? Reading between @:) the
lines, it would appear that you are supposed to declare which @:) fighter
groups are attacking which ships after ship movement, but @:) before ship
firing. In practice this is impractical.

Why is that? We've been using this system (fighters move and then declare
targets, ships fire, fighters fire) and it seems to have worked pretty well.
Does it break down with a large number of fighters or something?

> Brian Bell writes:

@:) Message text written by Darryl Hills @:) >If Ship A has performed it's
action for the turn and a fighter @:) >group attacks Ship B, can Ship A use
it's ADAF's to engage that @:) >fighter group?
@:)
@:) We always have fighters fire first, then ships, then @:) missiles. This
resolves the aforementioned problem

Sounds like it would add, however, the problem that fighters get to fire
before being fired upon. This would appear to make *DAF drastically less
effective, which is just about the last thing this game needs.