From: DOCAgren@a...
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:24:19 EDT
Subject: A question on terms
What does the D in D-Day stand for? Was in asked this in game tonight, and I'm not sure. Please help Have a Good One,
From: DOCAgren@a...
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:24:19 EDT
Subject: A question on terms
What does the D in D-Day stand for? Was in asked this in game tonight, and I'm not sure. Please help Have a Good One,
From: Indy Kochte <kochte@s...>
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:33:36 -0400
Subject: Re: A question on terms
> DOCAgren@aol.com wrote:
It stands for "Day Day". Much like "H" in "H-Hour" stands for
"Hour". I believe this is because major operations take place on "D Day" and
jump off at zero time ("H Hour"). Just that some events are so monumentous
that their date or code name becomes
associated with that one event (e.g., "9/11" has special meaning,
even though there is a September 11th every year).
Mk
From: Don M <dmaddox1@h...>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:41:32 -0500
Subject: Re: A question on terms
What does the D in D-Day stand for? Was in asked this in game tonight, and I'm not sure. Please help Debarkation Day, used for the first day of all army operations back in the 40s.
From: Christopher Downes-Ward <Christopher_Downes-Ward@a...>
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:13:43 +0100
Subject: RE: A question on terms
In World War II operations began at H-Hour on D-Day, so June 6th 1944 was D-Day for Operation Overlord, 10th July 1943 was D-Day for Operation Husky and so on. In World War I it was Z-Hour on Z-Day, (Z for Zero) Chris Downes-Ward [quoted original message omitted]
From: Allan Goodall <agoodall@a...>
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:08:44 +0000
Subject: Re: A question on terms
From: DOCAgren@aol.com > What does the D in D-Day stand for? Was in asked this in game tonight, As a lot of things of this nature, there is no real consensus on what it means. There are four main answers: D stood for day, as in D-Day, H-Hour, etc.; D stood for Debarkation; D stood for Disembarkation; D stood for Decision (this latter one apparently even made it into a school textbook). Here's what the National D-Day Museum's web site has to say about it (found at http://www.ddaymuseum.org/education_studentsfactd.html and if you ever find yourself in New Orleans, I _strongly_ advise you to visit it). "In Stephen Ambrose's D-Day, June 6, 1944: The Climactic Battle of World War II, he writes, Time magazine reported on June 12 [1944] that "as far as the U.S. Army can determine, the first use of D for Day, H for Hour was in Field Order No. 8, of the First Army, A.E.F., issued on Sept. 20, 1918, which read, 'The First Army will attack at H-Hour on D-Day with the object of forcing the evacuation of the St.Mihiel salient.'" (p. 491) In other words, the D in D-Day merely stands for Day. This coded designation was used for the day of any important invasion or military operation. For military planners (and later historians), the days before and after a D-Day were indicated using plus and minus signs: D-4 meant four days before a D-Day, while D+7 meant seven days after a D-Day. "In Paul Dickson's War Slang, he quotes Robert Hendrickson's Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins. Many explanations have been given for the meaning of D-Day, June 6, 1944, the day the Allies invaded Normandy from England during World War II. The Army has said that it is "simply an alliteration, as in H-Hour." Others say the first D in the word also stands for "day," the term a code designation. The French maintain the D means "disembarkation," still others say "debarkation," and the more poetic insist D-Day is short for "day of decision." When someone wrote to General Eisenhower in 1964 asking for an explanation, his executive assistant Brigadier General Robert Schultz answered: "General Eisenhower asked me to respond to your letter. Be advised that any amphibious operation has a 'departed date'; therefore the shortened term 'D-Day' is used." (p.146)" Thats as close to an official answer as you'll get. Note that "D-Day" was used for every amphibious operation involving Americans, including the landings in Italy and in the Pacific. We just think of June 6, 1944 as "D-Day" because of the importance and scale of that operation.
From: Scott Watts <scottwatts@c...>
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:45:35 -0500
Subject: Re: A question on terms
"D-Day" has taken on the popular meaning "Debarkation Day", but in planning circles (both military and civilian) it's just a planning marker, and was used at least as far back as WWI. Planning is set up in reference to D-Date or D-Zero. Say something is supposed to be accompliched 14 days prior to D-Day. That activity completion is scheduled for D-14. If the activity is supposed to take place 14 AFTER D-Day, it's D+14. "H-Hour" does the something for hours, "M-Minute" for minutes, and there's even a "S-second" in industrial planning. Why all this? It allows planners to schedule complicated activities as a process, rather than a series of calender linked end dates. If the "D-Date" gets changed, everything is adjusted from there, rather than 40,000 people going "That June 26th completion date, was that the new schedule, the old schedule, or the new old schedule?" [quoted original message omitted]