25mm is the ONLY true scale,
It is sooooooo much prettier, and lets face it. that's what's important!
I was tempted to play 6mm SGII then realised that I would barely be able to
tell who had what... but I still might do it, no groundscale conflictions...
hmmm (need to paint some scary 6mm figures now).
15mm ha don't make me laugh they are too small and fidley! We know that they
are a herrasey that has come into to polute us pure wargamers
*makes dice rolling sign*
> I was tempted to play 6mm SGII then realised that I would barely be
Baccus has a good site about painting 6mm. Or you can take my approach: swipe
with color 1 add a little contrasting color 2 magic wash you're done
> At 4:49 PM -0400 10/8/01, Chris DeBoe wrote:
Thats what I do for 6mm. For 25mm I take far longer. That's why all my 25mm
NAC Power Armour and some of the Gurkhas are still
un/partially painted. STrangely I went through a mad terrain phase
where I built fighting positions. I do have some pictures sitting here that
are needed to be carted down to the scanner. Perhaps over the next week when I
not shuttling things from my town house to my Moms (now mine) house....
> Richard Kirke wrote:
> 15mm ha don't make me laugh they are too small and fidley! We know
Time to pull out the pitch forks and the torches.;) 25mm are for people with
something to compensate for and 6mm are for those who are hiding from
something. 15mm is hte only real way to play SGII. Ground scale isn't too out
of whack but everything is still big enough to have good detail and visible on
the table.
From: Jaime Tiampo <fugu@spikyfishthing.com>
> Time to pull out the pitch forks and the torches. ;) 25mm are for
Piffle. 6mm matches ground scale. And you're *supposed* to be hiding
I've got 6mm Dark Star infantry painted in khaki and based to match GeoHex.
Even I lose a stand of them on occaison. My opponents lose track of them
rather more often.
For specifics... To do the bases I paint them a sienna brown and dip them wet
into a nice powdered flocking material. Good ground coloring, the bases blend
well with GeoHex and it adds to the cammo factor.
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Laserlight wrote:
> Piffle. 6mm matches ground scale. And you're *supposed* to be hiding
> ...25mm are for people with something to compensate
Naw...
25mm+ is for people that love the modeling/painting of figures as much
as the wargaming.
6mm is for those that want to get them damn figures painted already and get on
with the game!
While 15mm is for those poor souls that don't know what the Hell they want.
<g>
$0.02(USD)
25mm was designed originally by the tackleboxes, tupperware, rubbermaid
consortium with a nod towards the SUV manufacturers (gotta have a place to
transport all that metal)
6mm was designed by the folks who think that a single human hair applys too
much paint, (You better d**n well paint those socks AND each bullet on the
bandolier, mister or I an't a gonna play on your board)
15mm was designed for the person who wants to paint some minis fairly decent
and who wants to be able to bring an entire army in one 15 drawer
cabinet with room left over for a bunch of dice (with a little ingenuity,, a
backpack, and a foam sleeve, you can bicycle to your battle!)
15mm-jim
> Scott Clinton wrote:
> ...25mm are for people with something to compensate
> as the wargaming.
From: Jim Callahan <jim.callahan2@gte.net>
> 6mm was designed by the folks who think that a single human hair
no, they're okay for drybrushing.
(You better d**n well paint those socks AND each bullet
> on the bandolier, mister or I an't a gonna play on your board)
Painted them all. Same color as the rest of the camo, of course....
> 25mm+ is for people that love the modeling/painting of figures as much
This is the first thing on this subject that I agree with! Eric
LOL!
Probably too true! I know I can't paint worth a... lot.
Gracias,
Glenn/Triphibious@juno.com
This is my Science Fiction Alter Ego E-mail address.
Historical - Warbeads@juno.com
Fantasy and 6mm - dwarf_warrior@juno.com
On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:24:52 -0500 "Scott Clinton"
> <grumbling_grognard@hotmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:21:46 -0500 Jim Callahan <jim.callahan2@gte.net>
writes: <snip>
> 6mm was designed by the folks who think that a single human hair
I like the Peter Berry School of 6mm - 7YW figures with stockings on
legs, one pass in white for all the figures at once.
Seriously he has a very interesting web site with some unique to 6mm (maybe)
viewpoints about painting figures.
We don't need no stinkin' bandoliers!
Gracias,
I see no one has mentioned 10mm figures.
Cheaper than 15mm and still keeping the detail level.
Now if only there was a source for Sci-Fi 10mm
miniatures.... Oh wait there is at www.pendraken.co.uk:)
Oh come on the Narn Bat Squad hasn't got out much lately.
I see no one has mentioned 10mm figures.
Cheaper than 15mm and still keeping the detail level.
Now if only there was a source for Sci-Fi 10mm
miniatures.... Oh wait there is at www.pendraken.co.uk:)
Oh come on the Narn Bat Squad hasn't got out much lately.
> At 9:21 PM -0500 10/8/01, Jim Callahan wrote:
Hmm? I have more trouble transporting the dirtside forces than I do
the Star Grunt forces. 1/300 allows for sooo much more terrain and
features as well as objectives. There is room for the city, factory complex,
shuttle port, tank farm, agricultural areas and rivers on a table before you
even start putting figures out. And lets not forget hills.
A good 25mm game can be fought with some trees and a few hills and fighting
positions in a defensive engagement. The most you'll need is a light company
of troops if you really get big. One case works for
this. I've got a 12 companies worth of 1/285 and 1/300 scale stuff
for good battles plus infantry.
> 6mm was designed by the folks who think that a single human hair
1 cabinet does not hold an Army. Maybe an under strength battalion. But not an
army. You make SUV comments when you can't even stop from using the
GamesWork$hop terminology (50 figures does not an army make, 20 ships does not
a fleet make)
So there! :-b
speaking of Narns, Agents of Gaming is using 10mm for Gropos.
So you can get your bat squad in 10mm.
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, JEREMY CLARIDGE wrote:
> I see no one has mentioned 10mm figures.
Hmm 10mm skirmish...
Look we all know that 25mm is the prettiest, Agis paints them If you feel
inadquate about how your 25s turn out you go down a scale (I have a father who
paints every strap on his 6mm Napolionics so I have no escape, so I paint the
big guys coz they're pretty). But 10mm is a realistic way of consolidating
ground scale and figure scale without them being too small to see, where can I
get some from? (he says condeming himself to more unpainted lead... oh dear!)
Richard (preacher of the true 25 way) Kirke
> From: JEREMY CLARIDGE <jeremy.claridge@kcl.ac.uk>
> Hmm 10mm skirmish...
My subtlety was obviously too subtle:)
Pendraken do a 10mm Sci-Fi range.
There are examples on their (dare I say it) wonderful website:)
Try here http://www.pendraken.co.uk/scifi.htm
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From: "Glenn M Wilson" <triphibious@juno.com>
> I like the Peter Berry School of 6mm - 7YW figures with stockings on
> Ryan M Gill wrote:
> At 9:21 PM -0500 10/8/01, Jim Callahan wrote:
> have a place to transport all that metal)
Right...and all that cool terrain that you built painstakingly and lovingly
will finally have a use besides gather dust and "when are you gonna clean up
that crap off the kitchen table" comments from the spouse...
> A good 25mm game can be fought with some trees and a few hills and
> good battles plus infantry.
> decent and who wants to be able to bring an entire army in one 15
> ingenuity, , a backpack, and a foam sleeve, you can bicycle to your
> 20 ships does not a fleet make)
point taken... maybe a 30 drawer cabinet. I usually don't bring what I am not
going to fight with and 50 figgies DOES make for a nice sized
battle, with time left over for visiting and beer-drinking which is why
I play in the first place. I don't care less if my 45th level dwarf has
a +18 mace of planetary destabilization or not, I wanna get together
with my firends, have fun, and drink beer. For me that is the draw.
I don't even know what the heck you are talking about much less do I know the
first thing about GW terminology.
<monotonaic drone> Games Work$hop is your friend...Games Work$hop is your
friend...Games Work$hop is your friend...Games Work$hop is your friend...Games
Work$hop is your friend...Games Work$hop is your friend...Games Work$hop is
your friend...Games Work$hop is your friend...Games Work$hop is your
friend...Games Work$hop is your
friend...Games Work$hop is your friend... </monotonaic drone> but i
digress.
> So there! :-b
I don't know WHY you go on so. It's obvious the only TRUE scale is starship
scale.
If you want to show the flag, you paint it on the side of an SDN, and you have
a flag the size of a small city. It's the only way to be sure.
No 1, engage T-K drive, NOW.
Typical Vac-head nonsense! If you have a flag its for looking good in a
parade, we all know that IFF is the only recognition that really matters. And
starship scale? What scale is that?
25mm is the way to go (SDNs look sooooo much more dominating when they don't
look small next the Gentlemans' collectables!)
Richard
> From: devans@uneb.edu
> At 6:35 PM -0500 10/10/01, Jim Callahan wrote:
Well, I'm safe from that. I now have a house but have no spouse. Sadly thought
I have many things that were my mothers so space is rather constricted at this
point....
> point taken... maybe a 30 drawer cabinet. I usually don't bring what
Company sized battles are nice in 25mm (closer to 100 figs) but a
battalion sized game in 6mm/1:300 is really nice. Combined arms is
where its at....
> time left over for visiting and beer-drinking which is why I play in
No beer, it spoils my concentration...But yes to coffee or tea.
> I don't even know what the heck you are talking about much less do I
Doesn't work on me. I have a bonus on my will power save as I'm a former Squat
player from the 40K Rogue Trader era.
Ever seen some Battlemechs stomping around 15mm terrain? Fits in nicely, as I
had a Timber Wolf (the one on the front cover of all the games) standing the
middle of a village, and it looked damn nice. Of course, then a tank group
came in, the Timber Wolf blew one away (despite lots of big guns) and then the
tanks got three boom chits... so there was now a nice big
15mm-scale crater there instead. Which goes to show that no matter the
scale of the game, stuff still gets blown up.
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I know i'm lagging here just it takes so long to go through all the messages
on this list...
i happen to own a 5mm Evagelion (well, its about 5mm scale, working off the
size of the damn thing in the anime). It stands about 19 cm to the top of the
shoulder blade, carries a gun with a magazine the same size as a tank
and looks hell-cool. Now THAT is a 5mm figure. comes pre-painted too.
eventaully i plan to get it out and go around squishing Derek's massive
hover-tanks with it, but thats in the future. it looks really impressive
when it stands next to a 25mm figure.. and dwarfs it.
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Honestly, I *don't* want to see Eva stats for DSII. That'd be worse than
Godzilla.
They are gorgeous figures though, a colleague had 3 of them in his cube.
> Alister Crowe wrote:
> I know i'm lagging here just it takes so long to go through all the
From: Alister Crowe <croweall@bigpond.com>
> I know i'm lagging here just it takes so long to go through all the
CM???
> On 26-Oct-01 at 23:43, Laserlight (laserlight@quixnet.net) wrote:
Think metric.
> > > i happen to own a 5mm Evagelion (well, its about 5mm scale,
Roger said:
> Think metric.
Not "cm" as in "what is it", but "cm" as in "do you mean mm, or is this thing
actually 7.5 inches tall?"
Laserlight was querying the apparent absurdity of a 6mm *scale* model being
19cm tall. It may be absurd, but the Evas are massive creatu^hions
able to stomp-kick a VTOL out of the air.
Compare an Eva and a warship
http://www.eva2000.com/cgi-bin/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=E
va_Units&image=evaunits_apr0182.jpg&img=&tt=
> Roger Books wrote:
> On 26-Oct-01 at 23:43, Laserlight (laserlight@quixnet.net) wrote:
From: "Michael Llaneza" <maserati@speakeasy.net>
> Honestly, I *don't* want to see Eva stats for DSII. That'd be worse
For some reason this reminds me of a line from one of Game$ Work$hop$ "Dark
Future" novels.
"The Jebenonosay could have Godzillas the way Godzilla has Fleas".
Out of curiosity, how long would the EVA's extension cord be for DSII? Defeat
it by forcing it to go beyond the range of its power cord. Or use a couple of
Angels against it. If it isn't Shinji's EVA, the battle should be in the favor
of the Angels.
Kent M. McClure "Yeah, tactics. The most basic tactic of all, Mr.Yamamoto.
Every kindergartner knows it. You always win by running away." Lt. Cmdr Justy
Ueki Tylor, Captain of the UPSF Soyokaze from Irresponsible Captain Tylor,
episode 13 - Strategy.....Tactics...or the Lack
Thereof
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